terça-feira, 17 de agosto de 2010

On the Nature of the IPBYS

by Yasodananda das.

I write to you in my personal capacity as a sevak with limited vision but who treasures bhakti yoga and loves our sanga.

Srila Gurudeva has repeatedly asked that there be a Society and that we stay united.

It has been difficult to define the Society that will best serve the devotees.

As western devotees, we are afflicted by two opposite issues.

On the one hand, we don’t want to be oppressed. We don’t like other people telling us what to do. The ISKCON experience has exacerbated this tendency to the maximum. But also, general society in general, is more dissenting, more anarchic and more sceptical of authority than ever.

On the other hand, so often, we also want to be told what to do. It is easy to see problems, criticise what is imperfect and then use this negative perception as a mask to justify our own lack of commitment and action. Sometimes we may be very active but we use this negativity to justify our lack of willingness to play as a member of a team. We operate alone.

Isn’t it true that we attract what we fear?. Srila Gurudeva tells us not to focus on our faults. If we are all fearful about being controlled then we will more likely encourage that tendency. Srila Gurudeva wants us to develop loving relationships with eachother. How can we serve Radha-Krsna if we cannot exhange love with other devotees? This is our chance to build a Society from loving relationships rather than let a Society shape bad relationships through too much structure and control.

The suggested draft structure for the Society seeks to address some of these issues as much by what it seeks NOT to do as it does by what it seeks to do.

When spending time with Raghava Pandit Prabhu in Holland recently, he showed me an excellent piece of research that shows that humans need three things to be in place to be highly motivated – (a) autonomy (b) mastery and (c) purpose.

Autonomy gives the individual the power of choice over his or her daily decisions.

Mastery is the evolution of a person’s skills over time which is a satisfying experience for the practitioner.

Purpose is being clear about your goals and working towards them.

When all three are at work, the individual is happy and effective.

Innovative, modern organisations recognise that too much structure, too many rules and too much management smothers the spark of inspiration of the individual.

In many ways the word “organisation” for our Society is an old fashioned word which restricts our thinking to outmoded ideas.

The most dynamic success stories in today’s world are often made up of networks of networks where people of diverse backgrounds co-operate in loose and fluid structures inspired by commonly held principles. Think Linux, Obama’s 2008 election campaign and the Anonymous programmes such as AA.

The way I see the IPBYS proposal is one that is trying to create a Society not an organisation. Therefore, the Society is more a fountainhead of inspiration and a place of shelter and not a management structure.

As a sevak I want to know that whatever I am doing in my little stream of service is connected to the main torrent of bhakti flowing from the most elevated practioners.

This is what the Society is all about. There is nothing in the IPSYS that stops you or me from rendering service that brings 1, 100 or 1,000 souls to bhakti yoga. What is ensured is that whatever service I render it will be inspired by pure bhakti and I will be able to find shelter in proper sadhu sanga, the foundation for any progress in bhakti-yoga.

There are some who say that the “structure” is too sannyasi based. What about householders? What about all those not in the renounced order?

But this is to misunderstand the nature of the proposed Society in its first phase. This is not the fault of the reader. This is our service to articulate the vision for the society.

The society as proposed is not a management structure. Someone in Birmingham does not need authority from a national chairperson or from any chamber to open a temple, set up and educational programme or render some other service. It is the job of these chambers to inspire and keep the flow of bhakti strong so that the seva teams and emboldened and accomplish more. This is why preachers travel around the world. The top chambers do not “preside over” or “manage” or “control”. Rather, these chambers, the very heart of the Society, serve the seva teams. This is in the same way that the heart pumps blood throughout the body.

The really dynamic part of the society resides in these self-manifesting and self-managing seva teams. This is where most of the activity will ultimately be taking place.

This is our opportunity to develop the IPBYS as we feel inspired. How wonderful. Someone, let us say in Russia, does not need the authority to set up a seva team. An inspired sevak just needs to set one up. That’s it. And if he or she needs others to help then if there is inspiration automatically others will come. This does not need an organisation. It does not need too much structure. But it does need inspiration and shelter. And what Srila Gurudeva wants more than anything is that all the preachers that he has so assiduously trained over years stay together. Because he knows that if preachers go off in many directions then all inspiration will dissipate and devotees world-wide will be discouraged.

When we want to render service we need to manage the material energy in service to Srila Gurudeva. We don’t need an organisation or a structure to do this. We need inspiration, service and willing sevaks. This is the essence of our movement.

Please know that this is a consultative process. We want to know what you want. This is your Society.

If there is someone who you think strongly should be in the first chamber then say so. No problem. Srila Gurudeva can decide.

Some question why there are only five persons in the first chamber and why are they all Indians. The five devotees proposed in the first chamber have all been rendering service to Srila Gurudeva for decades. Their selfless record of seva speaks for itself. After all Srila Gurudeva has been practicing and preaching for decades and has only ventured out of India since 1996. It is self-evident that his closest sevaks happen to be from India. Also, it should be noted that the first chamber and the second chamber both provide inspiration and shelter. Bhakti Yoga does not flow through institutions and positions. The example of our Gurudeva shows that every time an institution shuns him, he continues to distribute bhakti irrespective of institutional constraints. He is fearless and so can we be. There is nothing stopping someone in the second chamber setting the world on fire with the flow of bhakti if that is what manifests in his heart.

Notwithstanding this perception, if you feel strongly that someone has been omitted from the first chamber then Srila Gurudeva can consider this request.

We have a wonderful sanga, wonderful people and we are overseen by Srila Gurudeva who somehow manages to reach all our hearts one by one and capture them. Whether he is on the planet or not our relationship with him is eternal and it is our duty and our deepest desire to please him and carry out his orders.

A diversity of opinion is good. At the same time we need to summon up the courage to place our egos to one side, look for the best in eachother, be accepting of our own and others’ shortcomings and co-operate together as much as possible. Only through soft-heartedness and integrity can we successfully represent Srila Gurudeva’s mission.

Sometimes working with another devotee can be very challenging. Sometimes it can be quite disturbing. But trying to find common ground is akin to the struggles we go through on parikrams.

For those who know me you will know that, unlike my wife, I am one of the more useless on parikramas! I may complain about the noise, the food, the this and the that. But when the parikrama is over I feel touched by the mercy of Lord Nityanananda. I somehow, causelessly, benefited. I mention my parikrama experiences because there are some moments when I really want to run away. But I didn’t check out, I didn’t give in and mercy was showered on me. I felt it. It is easy to say “devotees let me down” or “I don’t trust a Society” and “I will wish them luck, say Hare Bol and do my own thing”. But this is our chance for all of us “to stay on the parikrama”. I understand your frustrations, your doubts, your weariness. But let’s do this for Srila Gurudeva. Let’s not give in to all our clever analytical assessments on how the Society may be this or that. The Society is just a seed. You can provide the soil, the water, the love to enable it to grow into a great tree which can render shelter to the world.

In the case of the Society, please do participate. Provide ideas. Be creative. Be committed to putting bhakti into action, on a small or large scale. Overlook the imperfections. It may be a bit abstract right now but this is so much better than an over rigid structure which suffocates us. So many devotees have experienced this in the past.

Reflect and observe and try to bring solutions as well as problems. It is easy to see deficiencies but less easy to take responsibility to improve things.

Our Gurudeva wants us to be responsible. He wants us to be strong, like lions and lionesses. He doesn’t want us to wait for orders. His order is that we are ideal sevaks. He wants us to render the highest service to a Guru which is to be proactive and anticipate the desires of Sri Guru.

Let’s make this happen.

Your servant, Hare Krsna, Yasodananda das




IPBYS Organisational Chart




Mensagens dos prabhus Sriman Brajanath e Yasodananda

Traduzido por --> Ramananda Das

Mensagem de Brajanath prabhu

Caro Raghava prabhu e todos os que devotos interessados,

por favor aceite meus dandavats pranams. Todas as glórias a Sri Guru e Sri Gauranga e todas as glórias a Sri Sri Radha Vinode Bihariji.

A respeito de editar as palavras faladas na entrevista da Sociedade, nós entendemos suas preocupações e aceitamos o fato que muito de vocês tem sérias dúvidas sobreo que aconteceu.

Eu irei compartilhar com vocês que nós estamos mais do quefelizes em manter o nome da Sociedade realmente simples, tanto "BHAKTI", ou "BHAKTI TRUST", ou "BHAKTI TRUST INTERNATIONAL", ou "BHAKTI GROUPS",

mas...Srila Gurudeva quer que nós usemos as palavras "INTERNATIONAL(internacional), PURE BHAKTI (bhakti pura), YOGA, e SOCIETY(sociedade), portanto o nome anunciado "INTERNATIONALPURE BHAKTI YOGA SOCIETY"(Sociedade internacional de bhakti yoga pura).

O que fazer??? Meu conselho é que alguns devotos usando uma camera de video e um gravador de audio pergunte diretamente de Srila Gurudeva qual é o nome correto. Eu estarei mais do que felizem ajudar a facilitar isto de hoje em diante.

aspirando ao serviço de Sri Guru e Vaisnavas

Brajanath das

Mensagem de Yasodananda prabhu

Porfavor aceitem minhas humildes reverencias.

Todas as glórias Sri Guru e Sri Gauranga e todas as glórias a Sri Sri Radha Vinode Bihariji.

Nós queriamos um nome da sociedade que todos os devotos pudessem aceitarcomo legítimo.

Portanto,nós consultamos os devotos do mundo todo e listamos os nomespara algumas poucas opções.

Nós tinhamos que chegar a um nome que pudesse ser registrado. Em outraspalavras, se nós iremos ter uma sociedade, nósqueriamos um nome que possa ser usado e protegido legalmente e tambémter certeza que ninguém poderia nos parar de usar esse nome.

Cinco nomes foram apresentados a Srila Gurudeva baseados nas preferenciasdos devotos no mundo todo. O favorito de Srila Gurudeva foi"International Bhakti Yoga Society" (Sociedade internacional de bhakti yoga), mas ele queria acrescentar a palavra"pure" (puro). Isto foi comfirmado em um grandeencontro antes do parikrama de Navadvipa em 2008.

Hare Krsna, Com amor e afeto,

Seu servo,

Yasodananda das




Message from Sriman Brajanath and Yasodananda Prabhus

Message from Brajanath prabhu

Dear Raghava prabhu and all devotees that are concerned,

please accept my dandavats pranams. All glories to Sri Guru and Sri Gauranga and all glories to Sri Sri Radha Vinode Bihariji.

In regard to the ‘editing’ of Srila Gurudeva’s spoken words in the interview for the Society, we do understand your concerns and accept the fact that many of you have serious doubts as to what has taken place.

I will share with you that we are more than happy to keep the name for the Society real simple, either ‘BHAKTI‘, or ‘ BHAKTI TRUST‘, or ‘BHAKTI TRUST INTERNATIONAL‘, or ‘BHAKTI GROUPS‘,

but….. Srila Gurudeva wants that we use the words ‘INTERNATIONAL, PURE BHAKTI, YOGA, and SOCIETY, hence the announced name ‘INTERNATIONAL PURE BHAKTI YOGA SOCIETY

What to do??? my personal advice is that some devotees – in presence of video camera and audio recording – ask directly from Srila Gurudeva what is the correct name. I will be more than happy to help facilitate this at any time from today onwards.

aspiring for the service of Sri Guru and Vaisnavas

Brajanath das


Message from Yasodananda prabhu

Please accept my humble obeisances.

All glories to Sri Guru and Sri Gauranga and all glories to Sri Sri Radha Vinode Bihariji.

We wanted the name of the society to be one that all the devotees could accept as legitimate.

Therefore, we consulted the devotees world-wide and narrowed the names down to just a few options.

We had to arrive at a name that could be trademarked. In other words, if we are going to have a society, we wanted a name which could be legally used and protected as well as be sure that no-one could stop us using the name.

Five names were presented to Srila Gurudeva based on world-wide devotee preferences.
Srila Gurudeva’s favourite one was “International Bhakti Yoga Society” but he wanted the word “pure” inserted.
This was all confirmed at a large meeting just prior to the Nawadwipa parikram of 2008.

Hare Krsna,
With love and affection,

Your servant,

Yasodananda das



Srila Gurudeva speaks about IPBYS

Entrevista Sociedade Bhakti Yoga Pura

Tradução da entrevista em ingles .

Yasoda-nandana dasa: Gurudeva, no nosso encontro da Bhakti Trust você me perguntou, “Onde está a Sociedade?”. Nós estamos trabalhando para ter a sociedade funcionando, e nós queremos ter uma entrevista com você na página principal do website da nossa Sociedade. Desta maneira as pessoas vão entender melhor o que é a Sociedade.

(Para todos os devotos) Eu estou perguntando a Srila Gurudeva algumas questões, no Brasil, em 15 de Janeiro, sobre a Sociedade Internacional Bhakti Yoga Pura que ele nos ordenou a criar. [Estavam presentes Sripad Madhava Maharaja, Brajanath dasa, Yasodanandana dasa, Syamarani dasi, Ananga Mohini dasi e Vasanti dasi].

(Para Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja) Gurudeva, você quer que haja uma sociedade, e se sim, porque?

Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: Eu quero que tudo que esteja acontecendo agora continue depois de mim, tais como a distribuição dos meus livros e minha pregação pelos sannyasis e outros. A pregação de nossos sannyasis é o fator principal. Eles devem se encontrar e decidir quem vai aonde. Pois senão, eles irão acabar em um mesmo lugar ao mesmo tempo. Também, meu Navadvipa parikrama e Vraja-mandala parikrama devem acontecer como de costume. Para todo esses propósitos deve haver uma Sociedade.

Yasodanadana dasa: Você me pediu para estabelecer a Sociedade. Porque a Sociedade, Gurudeva?

Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: Se não há sociedade, todos irão se separar. Eles irão se espalhar; não haverá controle.
Nos encontros, mesmo que sejamos doze membros, todos os sannyasis devem comparecer. Eles são o fator principal e deve-se dar respeito a eles.

Yasodanandana dasa: Qual é o papel que você vê que a Sociedade tem na missão do Senhor Caitanya?

Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: Nós estamos pregando a vida e filosofia de Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu em todos os lugares. Nós estamos publicando muitos livros.

Yasodanandana dasa: Depois de um parecer dos devotos, e da sua intervenção, foi decidido o nome Sociedade Internacional Bhakti Yoga Pura (International Pure Bhakti Yoga Society), a ser conhecida como Sociedade Bhakti Yoga Pura para abreviar. Você pode confirmar que este é o seu desejo?

Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: Sim. Assim como ISKCON, IPBYS. Isto deve ser pregado em todos os lugares. Todos devem saber que nós somos a Sociedade Internacional Bhakti Yoga Pura.

Yasodanandana dasa: Você está feliz com este nome?

Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: Sim, muito feliz. Eu acho que você não está feliz com este nome.

Yasodanandana dasa: Eu estou feliz porque é o desejo da maioria dos devotos e o seu. Eu somente queria confirmar com você em vídeo, porque diferentes devotos tem idéias diferentes. Eu estou feliz porque você está feliz. Como você deseja que os devotos sirvam a Sociedade?

Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: Tal como eu estou fazendo – pregando em todos os lugares, publicando livros, e distribuindo livros. Como Syamarani dedicou sua vida a mim, pregando em todos os lugares, editando meus livros.

Brajanath dasa: No último ano em Miami, você teve conversas com Mahabuddhi prabhu e Padmanabha Maharaja. Mahabuddhi prabhu lhe perguntou como sua missão irá continuar no futuro. Você respondeu que todos os pregadores, especialmente sannyasis devem ser ideais - trnad api sunicena – não ter interesses para si mesmos, e então facilmente será continuado.

Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: Honrando uns aos outros.

Yasodanandana dasa: Obrigado, Gurudeva.

Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: Obrigado. Obrigado a Ananga Mohini por dar a inspiração para perguntar todas as questões. Se ela estiver presente onde estiver acontecendo o encontro, ela também deve ser chamada ao encontro.

Yasodanandana dasa: Sim, boa.

Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: Syamarani é uma pregadora, ela também deve ser chamada.

Yasodanandana dasa: Bom. Nós precisamos algumas mulheres fortes nos encontros.

Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: Pelo menos uma.

Ananga Mohini dasi: Para você, como as senhoras podem participar na Sociedade?

Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: Eles irão lhe chamar, e você deve sentar nas reuniões. Se houver alguma coisa relevante para falar, você deve falar; tal como nós chamamos Syamarani para que fale.

Tradução: Ramananda Das

segunda-feira, 16 de agosto de 2010

Pure Bhakti Yoga Society Interview

Yasoda-nandana dasa: Gurudeva, in our Bhakti Trust meeting you asked me, “Where is the Society?” We are working on getting the Society functioning, and we want to have an interview with you on the front page of the Society’s website. In that way people will be clear on what the Society is.

(To all devotees) I am asking Srila Gurudeva a few questions, in Brazil, on January 15th, about the International Pure Bhakti-Yoga Society that he has ordered us to create. [In attendance were Sripad Madhava Maharaja, Brajanath dasa, Yasodanandana dasa, Syamarani dasi, Ananga Mohini dasi and Vasanti dasi]

(To Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja) Gurudeva, do you want there to be a society, and if so, why?

Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: I want everything that is going on now to be continued after me, such as my book distribution and my preaching by the sannyasis and all others. The preaching of our sannyasis is the main factor. They should sit in a meeting and decide who will go where. Otherwise, they will all end up in one place at the same time. Also, my Navadvipa parikrama and Vraja-mandala parikrama should go on as usual. For all these purposes there should be a Society.

Yasodanadana dasa: You asked me to set up the Society. Why the Society, Gurudeva?

Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: If there is no society, everyone will be separated. They will scatter here and there; there will be no control.

In the meetings, even though we are twelve members, all the sannyasis should attend. They are the main factor, and they should be given respect.

Yasodanandana dasa: What role do you envision the Society having in the mission of Lord Caitanya?

Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: We are preaching the life and philosophy of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu everywhere. We are also publishing so many books.

Yasodanandana dasa:
After a lot of feedback response from devotees, and your intervention, the name International Pure Bhakti Yoga Society, to be known as Pure Bhakti Yoga Society for short, was decided upon. Can you please confirm that this is your desire?

Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: Yes. So like ISKCON, like IPBYS. This should be preached everywhere. All should know that we are the International Pure Bhakti-Yoga Society.

Yasodanandana dasa:
You are happy with that name?

Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: Yes, very happy. I think you are not happy with that name.

Yasodanandana dasa:
I am happy, because it is the desire of the majority of devotees and you. I just wanted to confirm with you on video, because different devotees have different ideas. I am happy because you are happy.

How do you wish the devotees to serve the Society?

Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: As I am doing – preaching everywhere, publishing books, and distributing books. Like Syamarani has devoted her life for me, preaching everywhere, editing my books.

Brajanath dasa: In Miami last year, you had very nice exchanges with Mahabuddhi prabhu and Padmanabha Maharaja. Mahabuddhi prabhu asked you how your mission will go on in the future. You replied that all preachers, especially sannyasis, should be ideal – trnad api sunicena – not having any interest for themselves, and then it will easily continue.

Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: Giving each other honor.

Yasodanandana dasa:
Thank you, Gurudeva.

Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: Thank you. Thanks to Ananga Mohini for giving the inspiration to ask all the questions. If she will be present where the meetings take place, she should also be called to the meeting.

Yasodanandana dasa:
Yes, good.

Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: Syamarani is a preacher; she must be called too.

Yasodanandana dasa: Good. We need some strong women in the meetings.

Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:
At least one.

Ananga Mohini dasi: How can ladies participate in the Society for you?

Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: They will call you, and you should sit in the meetings. If there is anything relevant to speak, you should speak; just like we call on Syamarani to speak.

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